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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 21, 2011 7:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1974

I always thought this was an excellent show - love the recording, very clear & airy sound. An SBD would be almost pointless.
Ned Lagin says this was an "LSD night" for the band...

One interesting thing about the point when Garcia goes into Wharf Rat is that the jam seems to be just out of steam at that point. They'd been very locked-in throughout in their jazziest mode (especially notice how tight Keith is with the guitarists, first Weir and then Garcia), then in the last couple minutes they start fragmenting, undecided where to go - Weir is intent on doing the Spanish jam but Garcia doesn't want to do it. (They had, of course, done it on 7/19.) So Garcia apparently calls a halt to things and drops in Wharf Rat.
Then after they go through the Nobody's Fault theme for a bit, it sounds to me like it's Jerry who signals the return back to Playin' with a little climb, and the others are with him instantly.

And you didn't mention Seastones! I would think, with Phil + Ned + electronic weirdness, you'd be all over it....

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jul 21, 2011 3:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1974

Ned Lagin says this was an "LSD night" for the band...

It was a peyote day and night for me. I guess we met in the middle. :)

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jul 21, 2011 8:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1974

Well, Seastones is...even for me...kind of an artistic failure, even though I think it was a very Noble Experiment. Sometimes I hear things I find interesting, but in general, I don't find it very convincing as music, even within the context of experimental improvised electronic modern classical.

I wish I liked Seastones, I've tried to like Seastones, and I often "force myself" to listen to it, but no matter how hard I try, I always find myself watching the track timer and eagerly looking forward to "anything other than Seastones."

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jul 21, 2011 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1974

You pretty much described my feelings for the film, Blade Runner in that breakdown of Seastones.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 21, 2011 9:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1974

I'm surprised that you seem to have found it a complete failure,while I get that it can lapse into dullness or noisemaking,there are some really intriguing and smart passages also.I find Ned Lagin to be an interesting character and very much enjoy each of his appearances with the GD,he added a pure out style that was a perfect compliment to their more experimental pieces at the exact right phase in the bands history.I wish Ned would have played with the band much more than he actually did.It also might have been interesting during the hiatus if Phil and Ned fleshed out the Seastones experiment with some extra musicians,say a cello,violin and maybe a few horns,I think it had potential.

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jul 21, 2011 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1974

I don't think it is a "complete" failure at all, and I didn't mean to imply it was a horrible disaster - it's just that in comparison to how good the 74 Grateful Dead was, even the best moments of Seastones seem pretty weak. To some extent I think the electronic instruments and sound manipulation tools they had were a little bit primitive and restricted their imagination. LIA has also posted some good comments from Ned Lagin about their collaboration, Ned doesn't seem to think they really hit the ball out of the park, either.